Lynnette Grey Bull: First Native American Woman From Wyoming To Run For US Congress


Lynnette Grey Bull grew up in California.

She lived in Arizona for over ten years before moving to Wyoming to do advocacy work with her mother' tribe on the Wind River Reservation.

Her work with the reservation inspired her to run for public office in 2020 to bring about the changes needed to help Native American communities in Wyoming.

She also works with the organization "Not Our Native Daughters" to combat human trafficking.

Emy diGrappa: 00:08 Welcome to First, But Last?, brought to you by the Wyoming Humanities. I am your host, Emy diGrappa. Wyoming is called the Equality State because we were the first to give women the right to vote. 150 years later, we wonder what Wyoming women think about the progress toward equality now. Let's find out. And thank you for listening.

Emy diGrappa: 00:34 Today I'd like to introduce you to Lynnette Grey Bull. She is a full-blooded Native American from the Lakota and Northern Arapahoe tribes. Her home is the Wind River Reservation. Lynnette was the first Native American woman in the history of Wyoming to run for US Congress in 2020. Welcome, Lynnette.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 00:57 Thank you, Emy. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for having me on here today.

Emy diGrappa: 01:02 Well, I love just the- the times I've had to talk to you and just getting to know you. And your life and your journey is truly inspiring. And I did wanna ask you some questions about your background growing up indigenous and where you grew up and how Wind River Reservation finally became your home.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 01:23 Yeah. That's a long journey I've been on since I've been on this (laughs) planet. But yes. My mother is Northern Arapahoe from the Wind River Reservation and the Northern Arapahoe tribe. Um, my father is Hunkpapa Lakota from the Standing Rock Sioux tribe in North and South Dakota. And my parents met in Billings, Montana.

In the course of them getting together and getting married and starting a- a new life together, of course, I- I was a product of their marriage, (laughs) um, and their unification. But my parents moved to Los Angeles, and that's where I was born and raised, in Pasadena, California.

We always kept close ties to our- our- our tribes and our reservation. Of course, most, majority of our families, relatives, um, lived on the reservation. So every summer I spent my time Wind River Reservation with my, with my family, with my aunt and my cousins, and also up in Fort Yates, up in- in Standing Rock in North Dakota.

So I grew up Native American living in the city, and, however, we still stayed really connected to our culture and our family ties on the reservation because that's where I spent my summers. And, of course, I was always in pow wows. I was a dancer; I was a fancy shawl dancer, and my family, my grandparents and my uncles and my aunts were all dancers. And so we were always involved with pow wows from California to different- different pow wows across the state. They call it the pow wow trail, so we were always on the pow wow trail.

And I feel like I- I grew up with my cultural and Native American beliefs, um, just as anybody else who lived on or- or off the reservation. But I- I lived in California and I lived in Arizona for about 11 years. And then I moved back to Wind River in 2017.

Emy diGrappa: 03:29 And then after that, you became really involved in- in different organizations on- on the reservation and ways to help women that I was reading in your bio. And tell me a little bit about that. What- what is and what was the work you- you started on the Wind River Reservation?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 03:49 Yeah. I think my advocacy work and, you know, just a, I- I call myself a community doer. My- I think I've- I've always been drawn to efforts to community wellbeing, whatever that may look like, you know. In California, of course, I was in my mid-twenties, but I started to do, help with homeless outreach, specifically with women. Women, single mothers with children who were facing homelessness.

I did continue that work with United Way, uh, Valley of the Sun in Arizona when I moved to Arizona. And I was just always involved in trying to help other women, uh, single mothers especially with children, to just help them any way that I can. Whether I was volunteering, whether I was helping them walking through the process of, you know, establishing their own place. And I've just always been involved in, you know, helping out anywhere I feel like I can plug in and help.

And those efforts continued on, you know, just because of who I am. When I came to Wyoming, um, of course, you know, the residing at my tribe and here on the reservation both in Fremont County, I just thought it was important to try to continue that work, um, and get others to join in that work.

And so, you know, of course, on my reservation there's- there's plenty of needs through extreme poverty to lack of housing, lack of economic development, jobs. I mean, you name it. If- if- if there's a social ill, it- it- it does reside and- and live at the Wind River Reservation.

And so I think that, you know, being an advocate and, you know, being a mover and shaker, so to speak, you know, you- you work to connect the dots. You work with others to fulfill the needs. Most times, I can't personally fulfill the needs that is out there in the community, but I can work to build bridges. I can work to connect other, either organizations or state and federal programs to fill that need or at least start and begin a relationship so that there can be, um, resources available.

Um, and that's what I like to do. I- I really enjoy doing that. I really enjoy connecting the dots. I really enjoy connecting entities and- and businesses or even, you know, offices of tribes and state and federal level offices to create the- the resolution.

I'm always looking for what is the root of the problem, and then I always work towards what is the resolution and what is the resource and how can we make this better. And so, like again, I- I really enjoy doing that. and I- I believe I would do this for the rest of my life. (laughs)

Emy diGrappa: 06:31 And was that your inspiration for running for Congress in 2020?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 06:36 It absolutely was, you know. It was something that somebody approached me with in 2019. Um, at first I had a good hearty laugh about that. (laughs) And, yeah, you know, I just thought about it and- and kinda put it in the back shelf.

Because, you know, COVID came in '20, uh, the earlier part of this ye- this year. And, you know, again, my advocacy and organizing work kinda kicked up because I- I started to do COVID relief for first our elders, and it just evolved into just helping anybody who wanted the help or needed the help.

And so I was still consumed with that. I really didn't have time to think about filing to run for- for Congress. But, you know, I- I tell this story, but I filed on the last day to file, um, in the last hour because I really, you know, it's a big deal. It's a big undertaking to run for a federal seat, you know.

Of course, you know, I- I never think about "Oh, I'm a woman," or "Oh, I'm a Native American; I'm a person of color." I'm, you know, I just think about the goal and what can result. Because what can result of success of the goal, and it propelled me to go ahead and file and run because, you know, again, I wanna create change and I love creating change with others.

Emy diGrappa: 07:55 And what do you think are some of the biggest changes that we need to make in Wyoming on the behalf of the Wind River Reservation and- and our Native American communities everywhere?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 08:07 You know what? I'd like to see our state move towards equality and inclusion for Native Americans. Um, at the Wind River Reservation, there is a- a- a vast of, uh, subject matter experts and professionals and those who understand conservation or, you know, land and water issues. And just, you know, any topic you can think of, we have professionals in those realms and those fields.

And, you know, when it comes to having a government-to-government relationship with the State of Wyoming, you know, there's a lot, lot of seats that need to be invited from Wind River representatives, and I think that will only make our state stronger. And I know for a fact it will build economic development, not just for the Wind River community but also for- for Fremont County and also the state of Wyoming. There's so much that can be done if we come together, um, and work together.

Emy diGrappa: 09:01 And- and what was your platform? What were, what were the strongest points that you were making to make that happen in- in- in bringing communities together or maybe helping people understand the complexity of issues for the tribes?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 09:16 Yeah. That's a great question. Actually, you know, I- I wanted to be very transparent of who I was and the work that I've done. I've always worked to help people, so I put that at the forefront of my campaign. Because, you know, in my campaign, one of the things I stated was "I want to continue to do what I've always done."

And this is true, you know, even after Election Day. I'm still gonna continue to do what I, what I do, and that is help people, and that is unite people. That is, you know, bringing resources, uh, to the need. And so with that, you know, being said, that's what I wanted people to see in me. You know, and I don't just advocate for Native Americans. I advocate for all Wyomingites. Actually just anybody who, you know, are on the down side of life.

I've been in those down sides. I know what hardship looks like. I know what eviction looks like. I know what it is to be unemployed and unemployment runs out. I'm a single mother of three beautiful children, and so I understand the complexity of life. And I understand, you know, how hard it can be, especially when there's lack of resources to reach out for.

And I know some people think that's just a handout. But, you know what? Everybody has downturns or maybe downfalls in their life, and doesn't mean you stay there. Things always change. And so I wanted to give voice to the people in need. I wanted to give voice to the regular working-class Americans.

And, you know, statistically, 53% of Americans in our country are from the working class. They're not from the elite. They're not from the, um, the- the 1%ers. But they're just regular day-to-day people. And that was who I was speaking to. I was speaking to everyday hard-working people, people who get early in the morning, take their kids to school, you know, work all day so they can, you know, provide sustainability. And I just wanted to be transparent about that.

And when it comes to Native American issues, you know, I think there's a lot of discussion that needs to be extended in that. And I could tell you, just from the things that I shared in my campaign of hardships of the Wind River Reservation, I've had so many Wyomingites reach out to me to further that conversation, to talk about issues.

Um, I had so many, you know, great people across the state who expressed that they did not understand these were our issues and did not ... and also wasn't aware, the lack of resources for the issues that we face. And so I had a great time connecting with Wyomingites across the state, um, even Republicans who, you know, liked some of my efforts and things that I s- I spoke up about. But they were thrilled to learn about something they never even learned before about their neighbors here at the Wind River Reservation.

Emy diGrappa: 12:04 What do you think is the disconnect? Why don't people know? I mean, we're this big state, wide-open spaces, but we're a small population. How are we not connecting with our Native American neighbors? Ho- why are we, what's the black hole?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 12:19 You know what? I think that there is a lot of generational and historical racism that resides here in our state on both sides, you know. There is, you know, for us as Native Americans, and I could only express what my family and, you know, people I know within the Wind River community has faced most of their life: is they- they've always been treated different.

They're always followed in stores. I've, I'm followed in stores, in the local stores in Riverton and Lander. You know, we're- we're treated not equally in public, or in society, and that creates a wall. For the Native Americans, that creates a wall of, you know, distrust, that they automatically think that, outsiders think we're, you know, they think low of us.

It's- it's when you face racism or when you face discrimination, it ... you feel it. When you're in- in, you're in public or you're in society, you feel, you know, the- the stares of- of outsiders who you can tell that may not think the greatest of us. Or, you know, they had a bad experience in the past, so they think we're all the same.

And so that kinda blanket view really hurts society as a whole because, you know, just like all white Americans are not racists, you know, all Native Americans are not drunks or, you know, they steal or whatever it is that they think of us. And I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done on coming together.

I know, you know, last year we- we had a, um, there was a pow wow I know that you were involved in- in Jackson. That's a great way to bring the culture, the people of the Wind River Reservation outside of our world and share it with others. Native Americans and us here at the Wind River Reservation, we love guests.

We get guests from all over the world, actually. We get people from Europe, we get people from Australia. You know, colleges, we have Yale students that came out, you know, the year before. We had some other students from universities that came from down South. And UCLA also was interested on coming out before COVID hit, of course, this- this past summer.

And so, you know, we love having people come visit us, and we love sharing and storytelling and telling about our history. And those are things that we enjoy to do. I think it's part of our culture, and I hope that fellow Wyomingites across the state would be more willing to get to know us and we wanna in turn get to know them.

Emy diGrappa: 14:50 And was there, when you went to school and to get an education, was there a stigma that you couldn't get an education or that you shouldn't? Or that leaving your tribe was you were gonna lose some part of your culture?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 15:09 You know, I think there is different stigmas for different reasons, both, um, uh, both on just, you know, from Native American families, um, and just the outside world. It just seems like every issue that we face in Indian Country is at the back burner of everything.

Um, one of the things I always say is I want Native Americans to succeed in all the other areas that other ethnicities succeed in. And that is, you know, we see the African American community, we see the Latino community, we see our Asian community, you know, they're- they're well, uh, divo- diverse in our country. They're included most of the time. Not all the time but most of the time.

And I want Native Americans to have the same type of inclusion in the different areas, and that- that goes for education. I think now for us in the Native American community, we always are expressing to our youth to go get a education, you know, go to college, go get a degree, come back and help your tribe.

But I know, you know, when my mother was younger or, you know, even like 20 years ago or 30 or 40 years ago, you know, that wasn't the case. I know that from the family's perspective, they were afraid of their loved ones, their daughters or their sons, to go get a education because they were fearful on how they may be treated or alienated or ousted and not treated fairly, only because of what they've already experienced in their lifetime. So, you know, from a family perspective, it was a scary thing to have your- your children go out in the world, in a cruel world, racist world, um, to advance an education in a college or university elsewhere.

But from the educational standpoint, you know, I think it is true. I think that there is a roadblock, so to speak, towards Native American students. I've heard some of them at our local college, unfortunately, that they think that all Native American students are just gonna eventually drop out. They're not gonna, you know, be consistent.

I, my- my son is a sophomore at CWC here in Riverton, and he had some, I don't know, some financial aid issues last year. And his advisor there told him to just drop out and come back the next year. I went ahead and just paid for those classes because I wasn't gonna allow him to drop out. He didn't want to drop out. But I was appalled that we had an advisor at our local community college telling my 18 year old to drop out. I don't believe that if it was white student that would be the case.

Emy diGrappa: 17:45 That- that's- that's a very perspective. Instead of encouraging him to continue or instead of really helping him figure out his financial aid problem, he just said, "Well, just drop out and come back next year." That's pretty sad.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 17:58 Yeah. And there was another student that she encouraged to drop out and she actually did drop out. And, unfortunately, she hasn't returned yet. So that's- that's the kind of things that Native American students see, but they're, that's not always spoken about.

Emy diGrappa: 18:15 Right. That there's just a sense of apathy on the part of educational institutions to help them succeed. And I have heard that, uh, not just with Native Americans, but in young people who come from lower income families who have never entered into the education, the higher education system of college and they just don't know how to navigate it.

And they really need that- that hand up so ... And to help them understand how to navigate through the educational system because it- it is knowing the- the system and how you work through it.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 18:56 Yes, absolutely. I mean, not just with my own son but just other youth that I know. You know, I take the time to- to encourage them to go through the process. And I- I think for- for any of us here at the Wind River Reservation just because of the history of, you know, being treated poorly, being assumed that they're this or they're that, you know, it is kind of a leap of faith to enter in to- to, like the educational realm and really try to advance yourself.

Because, you know, I see this in my own family. I see this from people in my own community. They steer away from any type of situation or ordeal where they might be treated unfairly. And if that means not registering for classes, that's what they do. Um, some just deal with it. Some deal with it pretty well. They just, you know, understand that that's who that person is and they don't take it personally.

But for others especially who come from homes that none of their family has- has entered into higher education in college or vocational schooling, it can be very, it can very daunting to try to put yourself out there and- and do that. Because, you know, sometimes even family will be like, "Well, you know, it's gonna be hard," even though sometimes their own family is- is dis-encouraging.

And so I take the time to speak to the youth that I do know to ensure that they stick with it, you know. Yes, it gets hard, or even if there's problems with financial aid or registering, it's- it's a lot to take on. And it could be, it's- it's confusing sometimes, uh, you know, stuff with my son when he was getting registered and we were, you know, filing for scholarships and grants. It is a process. It's a lo- it's a long process, but it is rewarding.

So even for myself trying to na- help him navigate, you know, just so many loopholes and things that they have to- to go through, you know, to get what they want to further their education, I would like to see down the road possibly some advocacy ad- advisors coming from the Wind River Reservation to help our students walk through that process and make it easier for them and more welcoming.

Emy diGrappa: 21:01 Right. I agree. So what did you learn about yourself when you ran for office? What were your fears and- and what strengths did you gain? And- and what did you learn just about the whole process that really opened your eyes?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 21:19 I learned a lot about myself in this past year running for Congress. There was a lot of challenging situations (laughs) during this campaign. One of them, you know, running a campaign during COVID-19.

Another one was, you know, having your, a right campaign team around you, and that was important to me too because I'm all about great communication and respect and, you know, we're all team players. We all can have an input and- and be fair. And I'm all about, you know, communication and- and working together.

And, you know, and some of that, I had to weed out of my- my campaign team, unfortunately. And it wasn't an easy thing to do 'cause these were all people that I actually really cared about and had great relationships with, and I had to make hard decisions on kinda making sure that the campaign team was not toxic.

So there were some changing midways there my, during my campaign. I think it's absolutely crucial for anybody in the state of Wyoming or who lives in a rural state to get people on your team who understands rural campaigning. There's a difference when you're campaigning in a urban, you know, a setting where it's in- in the city versus a rural state like Wyoming.

We're very unique here in Wyoming and I love it. I love the uniqueness that we have. And I would, moving forward, if I ever thought about running again, (laughs) I would definitely take the time to, which I couldn't this time, this last time around, is to visit every community that we have here in the state of Wyoming.

I want people to understand who I am, my heart, my- my passion and my drive and my ambition because my ambition and my drive are for people. And it will continue to be, whether I run for Congress or not.

But I learned a lot about myself during this process of, you know, I guess, I think all people can do hard things, even if they think they can't. There was a lot of moments in my campaign where I felt like, "I can't do this," or "Why is this so hard?" I've never had to face some of the challenges that I faced during this campaign. And it was emotional; it was, it was trying.

I didn't realize how challenging it was going to be, especially with what I say and my communication and what do I deliver. You know, there was a lot of intense- intensity on my messaging, and it- it made me nervous. And it, and it created anxiety (laughs) in my media interviews or newspapers and the plethora of media that reached out to me both locally and nationally.

And so, I don't know, I- I- I, it grew me and it stretched me, and I'm so very glad that I ran. And I'm so very glad that I was the first Native American to run for Congress. Because at the very least, at least the kids and the people of Wind River Reservation can see that they also too can run, they also can file. You know, we don't have to stay in our reservation. But- but- but we do have a voice and we do have a heart, you know, to create change, not just for Native Americans but for- for everybody.

And so I think it- it advanced my professionalism but it also advanced my communication. And I lear- I- I think the most- most important things that I learned during the campaign is learning about Wyomingites and their stories that I was able to be included on. And to me, that was the most important. I think humility should always be at the center of leadership, and I- I think that I expanded that portion of- of my expertise in- in this campaign run.

Emy diGrappa: 24:53 Well, I lo- I love that you just said that, that humility should be at the center of leadership. So true and so excellent. I'm gonna quote you on that. (laughs) That's rea-  

Lynnette GreyBu...: 24:53 (laughs)

Emy diGrappa: 25:04 That's- that's beautiful, uh, to remember. The last thing I wanna ask you, 'cause I know you have a real passion for this, is tell me about the work that you're doing for women and trafficking, sex trafficking, sexual abuse, victims of rape, what- what is that project about and what is it called?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 25:25 Yeah. Absolutely. Um, well, you know, like I mentioned in the be- beginning of the interview, I mentioned how I first started out volunteering in the community with homelessness. And that was geared towards homeless women. And in my work doing that, lot of the problems that a lot of homeless women faced or got to the point to where they were at, was either a sexual assault or abuse, either when they were young or even when they were adults.

And a lot of them fell into prostitution or sex, child sex trafficking. And so just the walk and the people that I was able to, you know, have the luxury of- of being part of their life and helping them, you know, create their- their stability, it just drawn me, uh, several years ago, it drawn, it drawn me to in that work.

So I did a lot of ... I worked for organizations that fought against child sex trafficking. And, you know, this was 10, like 10 years ago. This was before, like, human trafficking was really talked about, before child sex trafficking was really talked about. Um, so I lobbied on a lot of bills, um, both federally and the, and the state level on changing those laws to protect children and protect anybody who was trafficked, either labor trafficking or sex trafficking.

So back in 2013, I, because of my work in anti-human trafficking work, my partnerships across the nation, I noticed there was nothing really there for Native American victims. And so in 2013, I created Not Our Native Daughters to solely educate on human trafficking in Indian Country.

Uh, a lot of the tribes and chairmen in leadership that I spoke to around that time, they really didn't believe it was happening in their reservation or to their tribal members, so I wanted to educate them. So I built a training tool or module to train not only tribes but social services, uh, law enforcement, teachers, just anybody that works in a community, to help them understand what is human trafficking, what is child sex trafficking, but also how to identify it.

And so for many years, that's all I did, was I was consulted on training. A few years of, uh, I did a few years, about three, four years with the Department of Justice Amber Alert. Um, I did child sex traim- training through them. I did human trafficking in Indian Country through them, as well as a consultant. And so I- I spent a lot of time not only learning about the problem, but also helping law enforcement do online stings to rescue children, back when I resided in Arizona. And helped just change the perception of what is exploitation.

Exploitation is- is a long conversation, and some people have their own ideas about it. Or they're, you know ... Some people think that, "Oh, they're- they're prostitutes. They wanna be out there." Or, you know, "They- they chose that life." And so there's a lot of education that needs to go into that to understand why are they there.

And I can tell you just on the work that I've done just with law enforcement and social services and other victim advocates, that most of adult women who are into prostitution, and this is a world-wide thing, it's because they were exploited when they were children and this the only life that they knew.

So with that, not only do I fight this on a, on a national level and- and even global level, but this is something that is impacting indigenous communities around the world. And this is why we have a missing and murdered indigenous women and girls criss because of that. Human trafficking plays a huge role in that. Those are the issues that are kinda tied together.

Most people know that in 2019 I proposed Governor Gordon to have a Missing and Murdered Indigenous Person Task Force in the state of Wyoming. And I was so, so honored and so blown away that he obliged and I still serve on that task force.

There is gonna be a- a Missing and Murdered Indigenous Person, um, data research that will be released next month with the complements of University of Wyoming and WYSAC. So these different things were- were addressed to address the issue for the state of Wyoming, but the data that was collected and that will be released gonna help all of Indian Country across the nation.

Emy diGrappa: 29:51 That- that's a huge project. And like you said, it- it- it isn't just local, state. It's international; it's global. And- and- and you're right. I've- I've heard it from other people I've talked to that it's hard to recognize many times when someone's being trafficked because it's, they're not open about it and they might end up in a detention center or i- in another situation. But people still don't know that the core of the problem is that they're being trafficked.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 30:23 Right. And we- we also see that in labor trafficking. Lot of people don't think of labor trafficking, but, you know, there's a lot of, you know ... There are some hotels that were investigated, and the hotel didn't know, in their defense. But there was labor trafficking in- in the maid service and in the service industry and hospitality industry. So I- I teach that for tribal hotels and casinos, how to identify it in their casinos, but also in their hotels.

You know, it's, again, it's- it's a long conversation when we talk about human trafficking. There's a lot of ways that people exploit people, unfortunately. And one thing I always say is, you know, "Wherever you, around the world, wherever you find poverty, you will find human trafficking, and you just have to learn how to identify it."

Emy diGrappa: 31:08 Yeah. And so tragic. Well, I- I just want you to give me and the women of Wyoming some inspiration on- on what you would say to other young girls, especially Native American girls, who consider running for politics. And not just, you know, Congress, which is huge, but any- any political office. How- how would you inspire them?

Lynnette GreyBu...: 31:33 I would say this: You know, being a woman, being a professional and just having, um, a really ... You know, I didn't have a- a perfect journey. I've had a lot of road bumps along the way, a lot of hardships, both in my childhood and, you know, just being an adult (laughs) on my own. "Adulting," as we call it.

But I would express that regardless of whatever you've been through, regardless of whatever hardships that you may have faced, um, maybe, you know, so- I know some women out there have lack of family support, if you have a vision, if you have a dream and you can se- you can see yourself there, I will tell you to go for it. Don't worry about what people say. Don't worry about what people tell you that you cannot do. Just do it.

Because even though I filed to run for Congress and I did not win, I am happy at the result of what hope brought to many girls, not only in the state of Wyoming, but all of Indian Country and across the nation. I really do believe just because in the world that we're living in right now, that this is, this is decade of the women, so to speak.

We see women coming into places that have never served as a vice president or in other place. And, you know, even just 10 years ago, we didn't see that many women in Congress, both in Senate and House, and now we're seeing a growth of women in both Senate and House. And you can be that next Senate- Senate. You can be that next House representative.

We need you to step up. I need more young women and indigenous people and people of color to step up. We, our time is now. This is our moment. Listen to it and go for it. Because I did.

Emy diGrappa: 33:34 Thanks, Lynnette. Thank you so much, and thank you for talking to me today.

Lynnette GreyBu...: 33:38 Yes. Thank you so much. I always enjoy talking with you. And I look forward to continuing to connect to change the world. (laughing)

Emy diGrappa: 33:46 That's right. We're gonna be change the world. I like your attitude. (laughing)

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